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Adventures with moss....

Discussion in 'Moss Gardens' started by Karthik, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. Karthik

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    Hello All,

    Wanted to share a few pics of the moss garden maintained and conceptualised by the wife.

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    The pelia:

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    HC Cuba:

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    Peacock Moss:

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    The moss on the coconut shells are growing well. HC Cuba was added since she just loved that plant. Slowly, she is getting the hang of terrarium (and me too). We plan to make a 3' Terrarium soon.

    Cheers,

    Karthik
     
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    Hi Karthik Great little project I like the use of the coconut shells good idea (y)

    Looking forward to seeing it with all the plants grown in.
     
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    I will give you 10/10 for using a product that most people throw away.
    Looking at your plants every thing appears to be very healthy.

    Roy is a collecting expert he does not see a piece of old wood he sees plants growing either in or over it.

    Coconut shells that is a first for me I would have never thought of that, yet lining wire hanging baskets Coconut fibre is used a lot. I intend to use Coconut fibre matting when I make the backing for the next Terrascape as it holds the moisture.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    Thanks guys.. :) will keep this thread live with all my moss garden projects.

    Keith: Use the coconut shell with the husk. Helps hold moisture. Also, the husk is great for orchids too.

    Cheers,

    Karthik
     
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    We use chopped up aged pine bark/chips and Spaghnam moss as it holds the moisture very well plus its very cheap.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    So, here I was going about my "routine" of buying orchids and look what I found..

    Voila.. Fissidens moss growing all around it on the potting mix.. :D :

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    So, some of them go emersed:

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    Some submerged:

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    Let's see what grows fastest.. :)

    Cheers,

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    Don't be surprised if both grow very successfully.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    The "fissidens" moss turns out to be mistaken identity. While it is taking it's own time to grow submerged, in emersed condition, it is doing pretty well:

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    Cheers,

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    Forgot the ID of this moss, but is growing well on a coconut shell.

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    Cheers,

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    I will be starting my Terrascape very soon. I have a question for you. Could I grow mosses Coconut fiber sheeting its about 5ml when dry, its the same material hanging baskets are made from.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    This might be a stupid question, but doesn't the pine lower the pH? I would worry about being able to control the pH well enough to ensure the right conditions for the plants in the terrarium.

    How do you control it?
     
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    I thought exactly the same thing a while back due to the acidity of pine but here is a link to further research on pine and soils.

    http://www.gardenmyths.com/pine-needles-acidify-soil/

    I've not tested it myself but if anyone wants to use pine bark chips etc in a terrarium make sure it's animal safe and not the garden type as it contains chemicals and dyes making it harmful to sensitive fauna like dart frogs etc.
     
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    I have never bought Pine chips etc I only buy the council mulch that has a huge variety of timbers in it possibly treated pines if any one has dumped it on the pile at the recycling yard.

    It is not treated just continually turned over until its ready for sale. The best mulch I can buy is chopped up Sugar Cane, it actually puts goodies back into the soil.

    I have always been told as the Pine bark breaks down it can take Nitrogen out of the garden soil.

    We have a wild edible mushroom in our area that only grows under or very close to pine trees where there are plenty of pine needles.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    Looking through a few articles, some do support the pine may not change the pH in soil, but all agree that pine, due to moderate to high levels of tannins, have at pH in the 3,5 to 6,5 range depending on type.

    So why is it that some report no changes in soil pH?

    The answer seems to be differences in original soil properties, clay have a large buffering potential, where as sand have very low potential. Another affect is the microbial culture in the soil, that will (in most cases) help break down the compounds, thus assisting the natural buffering of the soil.

    How does that help us?

    Well, when setting up an aquarium, herbarium, terrarium, <feel free to add your fix here>, we are in some cases mixing different soils and adding bacteria to the mix as well. This could in theory result in a soil that doesn't have the bacteria required for efficiently breaking down the tannins from the organic matter added, nor having buffering properties. Luckily we can test and improve, or just be plain lucky(y).

    Disclaimer: No independent research have been carried out while writing the above, it is the authors own throught on research done in the area of pine and soil pH:eek:.
     
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    I found a report indicating that it is phosphorus that gets removed. I have not seen anything about nitrogen, it make more sense to me though than phosphorus, as nitrogen can form volatile compounds more readily than phosphorus.
     
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    This is the best mulch (Oak Leaves) I can get and it's free. I have a 40+ Oak tree opposite and I can collect as much as I need any time.

    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    Oak leaves are perfect along with coco husk/coir for terrariums.

    I agree that the leaves must have an effect on pH after all it's why we add leaves and peat soils to aquariums when we need lower pH levels?

    A good read on different types of soils including recipes can be found here

    http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Natural-Vivarium-Substrate-Recipes/
     
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    In the 5ft Terrarium I just used a good quality potting mix on top of old UGF plates. This time it will be a similar mix with Chopped Oak leaves and, ??? mixed through.


    Keith:cathug::cathug:
     
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    Hi Guys,

    Sorry missed your posts as I was travelling. I actually haven't faced any issues with PH while growing mosses on the coconut shells.

    Keith: The moss grows better on the shell than the fiber. Here's the latest update:

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    I usually take out most of the fiber and then attach moss on the coconut shells. Looks like they don't like coconut fibers.. :)

    Cheers,

    Karthik
     
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    Have you tried to remove the fibers from one half of the shell, and then attach the moss evenly to the entire shell? It would be a very good demonstration of the difference.
     

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