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My Emersed Terrarium? - "Lost World"

Discussion in 'Emersed Journals' started by Jason King, Jun 20, 2014.

  1. Jason King

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    I have a 500ml bottle and my coverage area was about 60cm x 30cm, the bottle looks hardly touched about 1/8 used?

    When I brushed the glue on I gave it a fine mist with water to activate the drying then pressed my substrate on leaving it for a good few hours.

    I done it side by side, but your tank is a little longer than mine.

    I know I keep saying it but remember GLOVES, i used the disposable rubber ones.
     
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    Jason I have an area 2300cm length x 30cm high using my bad maths these days that would make it 38 of your backings.

    That means you used about 63ml.

    Now I require about 38 of your tanks x 63ml= close to 2.4lt

    That seems a lot have I missed something?

    The more I work it out the more confused I am getting.

    Keith:cathug:
     
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    That does seem like a lot, all I can suggest it that you purchase one to see how you get on. In a few hours ill go to the garage and double check the bottle size I have and usage. I'm sure it was the larger bottle.
     
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    There is no immediate hurry.

    2lt of paint will do to paint the 4mt x4mt ceiling with two coats.

    GORILLA GLUE All Purpose Glue, 8 Oz, 16 Sq Ft Coverage

    8oz close to 225ml

    I have about 8sq ft to cover

    112mls should be plenty then.

    To be on the safe side a 250ml would be plenty

    Its going to cost me just over $20 delivered.

    Looks like I had the Decimal point mixed up somewhere.

    It should have been 2.4 of 1lt


    Keith :cathug:
     
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    Just thought I'd share this information for others reference.

    http://gorillaglue.com/gorilla-glue

    112_gorillaglue (1).

    Gorilla Glue bonds materials other adhesives simply can't--metal, stone, wood, ceramics, foam, glass and much more! And it's still the best glue for anyone who wants the job done right.

    VERSATILE – ideal for most household fixes, building repairs and creative projects.
    100% WATERPROOF – does not break down when exposed to outdoor elements. Easily passes ANSI/HPVA HP-1-2000 Types 1 and 2.
    TEMPERATURE RESISTANT – once it’s dry Gorilla Glue is unaffected by extreme heat or cold.
    SANDABLE, PAINTABLE, STAINABLE – the invisible glue line makes finishing easy.
     
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    A small tip Keith is I used a paint brush to apply the glue but after a while the brush starts to stiffen so I recommend that you buy a handful of very cheap paint brushes as you will need to throw them away.
     
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    I was thinking along the same lines get brushes from a $2 shop they are cheap and nasty plus a once use only.

    Gorilla Glue Directions

    Damp It: Lightly dampen one surface with water. We recommend using a damp cloth or spraying with water. Do not saturate the surface. For dense hardwoods, lightly dampen both surfaces prior to gluing.
    Evenly Apply Gorilla Glue Onto the Dry Surface

    Glue It: Carefully apply onto the dry surface. Do not over apply. We recommend wearing gloves or spreading the glue with a disposable brush.

    Now does that mean I dampen the medium and not the foam?

    Further down it says

    Getting down to the fine details now.

    "Dampen it", OK not a problem.


    Glue it, "Carefully apply onto the dry surface" ???


    Then in Importance of Reading Directions
    "that the (surfaces) must be dampened prior to gluing".

    I read this "Did you know that Gorilla Glue® is moisture-activated and that the surfaces must be dampened prior to gluing".


    The the way it reads looks like its a translation from an Asian country.


    If I remember correctly you suggested a misting when pressing the (backing materials) on to the foam.

    If I have to thicken up the odd spot or two do I add a little Gorilla immediately or go over the areas a few days later.


    I seems strange asking all these questions for two reasons I taught "glue & gluing" as one of the topics when teaching Cabinet Making Apprentices for 13 years.

    The other being an Advisor and a Mod for many years I am usually the one answering all the questions.

    As I often say "Never too old to learn"

    Keith:cathug:
     
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    Keith we all learn new things everyday.. but yes its sure strange the student teaching the teacher? :)

    Yes its like superglue polyurethane?spelling!!! So requires moisture to activate it.

    Back to the gloves, if you try and wash it off with water it sets lol.

    I painted the glue on, i then added the soil and sprayed the soil, it starts to bubble/foam once i sprayed it.
     
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    Hello Jason

    I had heard about the bubbling when using similar glues for joining timber.

    When I do the test run I will try both methods spray after adding the medium and spraying the medium first.

    As I will not be able to wipe the bubbles off I was thinking of adding more medium.

    The full plan is to do the backing in sections as I cannot get it in because its an old tank also I cannot take all the supports out because I have to leave then on to support a glass top and light also keep the cats out (we have three).

    The way I have the tank fitted it would be very difficult to take out and being 5ft and a few years old it could break the joints and crack the glass.


    Thank you very much, one concern fixed next one making and securing the dry rocky water fall.

    I will do a rough sketch and get a few opinions.

    The small tank was easy the rocks are wedged in between a piece of DW and the end of the tank.

    Keith:cathug:
     
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    I did the same in the places I seen bubbles I added more medium, more is better as what is not required falls off anyway.

    As I could place it on the side I was covering my medium was about 1" thick and I pressed it on firmly. Once it dried the medium that was not glued brushed off leaving no patches.

    Looking forward to the sketches.
     
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    Thinking about it a step by step article showing the steps of coverage using this method?

    Would be good for the site?

    Demo using a small piece of polystyrene or wood being covered.
     
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    Something like

    Step 1 put gloves on..
    Insert image here..

    Step 2 spray surface
    Insert image here..

    step 3 brush on gorilla glue
    Insert image here..

    step 4 add medium and press down
    Insert image here..

    step 5 spray medium
    Insert image here..

    step 6 leave to dry for 24 hours?

    Step 7 brush off excess medium
    Insert image here..

    Step 8 finished sample
    Insert image here..
     
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    Hi Jason, Great ideas :clap2:
     
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    I am not that far off doing that now.

    Instead of misting I was going to give it a soaking a few days ahead then mist as required.

    Keith:cathug:
     
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    some updates.

    i started this about 20-06-14 so seven+ months this is the growth.

    DSC_0413.

    DSC_0415.

    DSC_0418.

    DSC_0419.

    DSC_0420.

    DSC_0422.

    if you look closely you can see unidentified plants growing, im not sure if this is from the moss mix? (sphag moss) but they look good anyway? :D

    and for Keith this is the gorilla glue backing seven months on :)
     
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    Jason I have about 7-8 sqft to cover I am giving it at least to years.

    How are you attaching the bits and pieces to the backing.

    That is the type of finish I am hoping to achieve some thing great like that.

    Keith :cathug:
     
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    Attaching pieces I used gorilla glue but I was able to lay my tank on its side, I've used superglue in my cliff scape that seems to be holding, how long for I have no idea.

    The plants I created a hole with a screwdriver and planted them, except the moss/pelia I brushed that on
     
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    I used a product called Gel Grip when I attached the Tills to small pieces of a fruit tree branches.
    Selleys Gel Grip - Contact Adhesive | Selleys Australia

    I might try that.

    except the moss/pelia I brushed that on

    Keith :catnap:
     
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    Yes I made up a mix using various mosses and 75% sphag moss as this helps with the moisture. Depending on the humidity the sphag might not be needed it was something I used in my terarrarium days.

    Take your choice of moss and chop chop chop, some people add a greek yogurt but I never have.

    Add a little water and paint it on.
     
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    This was the mix that was used for this and I left in a tub for a few weeks before using it.

    DSC04780.
     

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