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Discussion in 'Wabi Kusa Equipment' started by Jason King, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Jason King

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    It depends how I need it:

    garden soil, aquaristic soils, orchid soil, turf, humus, tree bark, grit, pebbles, rests of concrete, old bricks, sand, seramis, sometimes mixtures of all, sometimes even nothing (f. e. for sphagnum moss)

    I use it flat or in balls, I form also steep or cliffy scapes with it, sometimes I use it in special containers,
    sometimes I even put a little extra container (perhaps for special conditions or to keep the soil together) invisible between the rest of the whole arrangement...
     
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    Hey, my favorite for emergent aquatic plants are 5mm gravel, Seramis, coco (coconut tile to soften) and recently used soil from a shrimp farmers.
    Now I can try to shape Wabikusabälle and to plant.
    My experiments with yellow clay (subsoil) from the garden disintegrated in water
    What you give more to the soil, which remain the balls stable? And how do you do it, they do not dissolve in the aquarium if you want to use it for planting?
    My aquariums are all with gravel or sand, the soil would contaminate yet, right?

    Normal potting soil has let my plants always rot. Gray mold also occurred frequently. Overnight, the plants were destroyed. Also sterilize the earth has brought nothing.

    Expanded clay and lava granules absorb nutrients and must be charged before use with NPK. Otherwise it takes forever until the plants grow properly.

    Regards Monika
    (with the help of Aunt Googel Translator)
     
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    Hey, how mixed or edited their balls so they do not fall apart?
    Wants to make a classic Wabikusa, with a substrate ball down on it ...
    VG Monika
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    Hei, wie mischt oder bearbeitet ihr die Kugeln damit sie nicht auseinander fallen?
    Möchte auch ein klassisches Wabikusa machen, mit einem Substratball untendran...
    VG Monika
     
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    Hi Mowa,I use a old stocking filled with substrate "TropicaPlant" Get it to the size you want tie a knot shape it into a ball of flat shape. Cover with moss put the knot side to the bottom and then plant the plants through the stocking :) This holds its shape and lets it soak up water .
     
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    Hello, to something I had already thought said but would not it be true to style;-)
    Then practiced holes for the stems or you're stuck only in the moss?
    Black Stockings to make filter shrimp Sure I've got.
    Regards Monika

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    Hallo, an sowas hatte ich auchschon gedacht, meinte aber es wäre nicht stilecht ;-)
    Machst Du dann Löcher für die Stängel oder steckst Du sie nur ins Moos?
    Schwarze Strümpfe um filter Garnelensicher zu machen habe ich da.
    Viele Grüße Monika
     
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    Hi Mowa,you can make a W-K ball with substrate wrapped in sphagnum moss then tie with thin cotton or fishing line to hole things together.The moss is naturally antiseptic so wont get mold
     
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    If you use stockings Roy: Do you make holes in the stockings and then plant the stems in?
     
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    Hi Evelyn, Yes i just use scissors to make a small hole then plant the stem through into the substrate ;)
     
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    Hi everyone! =)

    Just a little question for the Wabi-Kusa susbraste! I post it here because I think it's interesting for everyone who wants to start a Wabi-Kusa!

    What do you prefer between to buy a Wabi-Kusa bowl (in a specialised shop) or do a Wabi-Kusa bowl by yourself?
    Is the DIY Wabi-Kusa bowl robust?
     
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    For the Terrascape I used a potting soil suitable for Terracotta pots it holds the moisture very well it also by staying moist longer it helps to maintain the humidity which is exactly what I wanted.

    Keith :cathug::cathug:
     
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    Hi Glom, Glass ware from a LFS can be very Expensive.I use charity shops or pound shops to get glass bowls and dishes.Much cheaper and if i brake one i don't bang my head on a wall and cry.
     
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    Hi everyone, thanks for the answers! :welcoming:

    About the glass, I think I will take for the first one a old glass bolw! I like it even if it has scares, .... :eek-new:
    I was asking that because my favourite online web-site has now products for WB and Kokedama. I was wonder what kind of differences I can have between substrate bowl DIY or subraste bowl in shop... :confused:
    Here the link if you want to see it:

    Substrat pour Wabi-Kusa - Aquaplante


    I think I will make my first Wabi-Kusa in a substrate bowl makes by myself! =)
     
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    Hi Glom, Go for the old bowl. Put the scratched side to the back when the plants grow in you won't see them ?
    You can just place the substrate in the bowl ."and just keep it damp" or do a W-K ball and place on substrate or stones. Again just keeping it damp
    You can make a W-K ball with old stockings just fill one foot till you have the right size the tie in a knot and cut. One Photo will give you a better idea of what i mean.

    025. I just use old substrate with a little bit of gravel to fill.
     
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    Thank Greenfinger! :)

    Sorry, I confused "bowl" and "ball" in my other messages... :faint2:

    Your method seems to be a great way to have a nice Wabi-Kusa ball! Thank for the picture! =)
    I was thinking about to use a mix of ADA Amazona soil with Garden soil for plant. I tested before my holiday and it was well-working!
    Gravel is only for fill or it helps the WB ball to be stronger? =)
     
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    To bulk it up, eliminating the weight use the small styrene balls (or chopped up pieces of Styrene).

    In many potting mixes it is used for extra drainage and weight plus its cheaper than soil.

    Keith :cathug::cathug:
     
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    Thank for the trick! :)
     
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    The wife wants to get started with Wabi Kusa, and we have been looking around the Internet to see if we could find a good way to make it.

    What we are looking for, are WK that will retain its shape for some time and will be movable for up to a year in a pure WK setup. As of now I have not found anything that will be able to double as the rough and ready plants for a new aquascape, but have an idea.

    If we use the normal substrate we would use in the aquarium, and then use a fine silk mesh to give it the shape and size we want it to have, we should have something that over time will desolve in an aquarium, but should be able to maintain its shape in a bowl.

    Would there be a better way of doing it, one I have not been able to find, or think of?

    Regards
     
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